Another Reason to Not Like the UN
This just outrages me! As we all know there is a problem with this Bird Flu. Now listen to what Roger Morris, a New Zealand UN consultant said. He said that America and Europe are to blame for the deaths of these people because we didn't do enough to help. Now, before I get too mad I will touch up on a couple things.
1. It is not really our first priority to help other countries with this kind of thing. True it would be nice to help these countries but the UN must have forgotten the fact that we were just hit by 3 powerful hurricanes in the same area and are still cleaning up that mess. Now I know what some people are going to say: Well, it could come here. True but Bush has just put in a bunch of money to help prevent that( Though personally I think he put in too much money.). We are helping plus a bunch of other countries to stop this.
2. Isn't it more of the UN's job to help prevent this kind of thing. After all they are the United Nations. So instead of pointing fingers at America and Europe, why don't they help devise a plan to stop this disease. I just thought that was common sense.
posted by PlaidBaron @ 5:48 PM
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The 'great Satan’ America never does enough to please the rest of the world. I guess they think we are a bottomless piggybank...
Of course its our fault! Don't you watch MSM? Everythings our fault! Its not Castro's fault that Cuba sucks, no its ours for putting sanctions on them. *Sarcasm*
Why is everything always our fault to these people? Honestly, we have the best country in the world here.
It is our fault, dear hearts, because we are the biggest, most powerful and free country in the world. They can't run over us with Bush in office and neither can the liberals. All the UN and the libs can do is open their mouths and insert foot. So don't worry about it. I like listening the the whining, screaming and hypocricy. They are showing the world who they are.
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It's funny how so very few people have called for a major reform in the UN after all that they've done (and haven't done). If anyones seen the movie hotel Rwanda, it shows how much the UN can do. On that subject, the near genocide could have been prevented if Clinton didn't trust the UN to take care of it and he did something himself.
Cody, Clinton was too busy doing other things in the Oval Office. :)
Cody said: It's funny how so very few people have called for a major reform in the UN after all that they've done (and haven't done).
Of course not, they were getting paid off by them.
Just a few thoughts:
1. What if bird flu becomes a human infection and spreads globally?
2. What if we could have done something about it and didn't?
3. What if thousands (millions?) of US citizens die as a result?
There's a self-interest side to helping others that is often overlooked.
Just a thought.
Maybe but the UN is NOT a good organazation. They were PAYING Saddam Hussien, I mean come on.
Dan, I'm not saying we should pull out of the UN. I'm saying it's about time the UN got some MAJOR reform. And if the reform doesn't happen and the UN takes the side of enemies even more than now, THEN we should pull out until we eliminate all Islamo-fachism.
http://masseynews.massey.ac.nz/2005/Massey_News/issue-19/stories/01-19-05.html
Professor Morris was consulted extensively by British authorities during the foot and mouth epidemic in 2001, and has been involved in most major disease outbreaks around the world in recent years.
Obviously we're dealing with an Expert here. Sounds to me like he's just stating the facts. Why would that make you angry??
Do you think that stopping a potential epidemic at it's source -- before it reaches the United States -- is a bad idea??! Sounds like common sense to me.
(another quote from the article) Professor Morris, who has been at the forefront of international efforts to investigate and combat the deadly virus, says America and Europe virtually ignored repeated calls for assistance to help the Asian countries worst affected.
Aren't The United States and the countries of Europe members of the UN? Couldn't they have promted the UN to act (if that is the way they decided to handle the problem -- through the UN)? Individual countries could have responded to the problem by acting independently -- or, they could have taken action through the UN. But neither happened. Instead the problem was foolishly ignored.
I'm confused as to why you say that this is another reason to not like the UN.
Normally I'd ignore you but you just attacked my brother. Listen closely assshole, the UN is completly corrupt. It is not our fault about the damn bird flu. You say the problem was ignored, yet you liberals say Bush is paranoid about it. A bit of an inconsistancy there I think. I realize you'll never agree because your brain-capacity is too small, but I've just set up a coherent arguement and I expect nothing but abuse back from you.
Settle down, dark. That's all I have to say. Maybe your brother shouldn't post if he doesn't want some criticism. Everyone here gets and and gives it, and that's not hard to see.
So what? Critisicm is different then attack. If it were you or drew or somebody making a sensible arguement then fine. But its not its dk. And he never says anything useful. He just attacks. Oh and who in my family I defend happens to be my own buissness thanks.
Where did I attack? How were my comments unsensible? I only asked a few very reasonable questions. I never said that the avian flu was "our fault" -- I only pointed out that it was in our interest to act quickly before it becomes our PROBLEM.
My questions were'nt that complicated. I thought that even someone with your limited intelligence should be able to understand them... but I guess not.
Sounds to me like criticizing the UN (and liberals) is all you are interested in doing -- and you're not going to let a few pesky FACTS get in your way.
Absolutly Mild Mannered. That and the fact that they were paying Syria and Saddam was paying them. Seems pretty questionable to me.
To dk: I'd answer but I know where THAT leads. Carry on with thinking you've won just because I'm ignoring you.
OK. I've won another one! Man, I'm really kicking your a$s!
dfkz is right, at least in his intial comments that Darksaturos criticized. dfkz never attacked anyone, he simply asked some logical questions.
Are comments like, "man, I'm kicking your ***!" a bit rowdy and rude? Maybe. But not too much it seems to me. I mean, if he'd directed it at me, I'd take it as a good-natured banter between two people who disagree.
So logically, if the UN has corruption issues, should they be dealt with? Sure.
If a global pandemic is possible, is it logical for us (for our own sake, if not for humanitarian reasons) to help out other nations to stop its spread? Yes.
These are logical statements that you can disagree with if you choose, but do so based on other logical reasons (ie, "We should NOT help stop a global pandemic in these other nations because...." and fill in the blank with something that makes sense.)
Are comments like, "man, I'm kicking your ***!" a bit rowdy and rude?
I did not mean it seriously. Of course I knew DarkSaturos wouldn't find it humorous, but I did. He attacks me, I defend myself, and then he acts like he COULD win the argument, but addressing my questions is beneath him (because of my peabrain). So WHO should be offended here?
DarkSaturos is only interested in hearing from people who agree with him. It's probably the only reason he blogs -- so he can read a bunch of replies from people telling him how smart he is. He probably doesn't get a lot of that in the real world.
dkfz:
I do not object to having the United States help. It would be nice. I just object to them saying it's our fault. Maybe the guy is an expert on the bird flu but how does that support the fact that it's the U.S's fault? Explain.
DarkSaturos: He didn't really attack me he was just stating a thought and I think you went overboard with the asshole thing.
dkfz: I was actually against DarkSaturos calling you an asshole but I read your other comment. saying my brother has limited intelligence is to far. I'm starting to agree with DarkSaturos.
Dan: I agree that saying "I'm kicking your a**" is just a little rude but saying my brother has limited intellegence is just a personal insult just as DarkSaturos saying he was an a**hole was just a personal insult. I guess I really shouldn't listen to either of their comments.
Thank you Dan for not using personal insults in your comment. What we need is more sensible arguements.
plaidbaron said... I was actually against DarkSaturos calling you an asshole but I read your other comment. saying my brother has limited intelligence is to far.
I asked a few questions (which haven't been answered btw), which DarkSaturos responded to by calling me an a$shole and then saying that my brain-capacity is too small. I returned the insult, but didn't use any profanity -- and you think it was me who "went to far"?
Read my third comment. There you will find that I said you both went too far.
Listen closely assshole, the UN is completly corrupt.
I think the Bush Administration is at least 1,000 times more corrupt than the UN. I'd trust the UN over Bush any day of the week.
I do not object to having the United States help. It would be nice. I just object to them saying it's our fault. Maybe the guy is an expert on the bird flu but how does that support the fact that it's the U.S's fault? Explain.
He didn't say the avian flu was the fault of United States. follow along with these quotes:
The bird flu epidemic could have been contained and controlled in Asia but the western world failed to help.
Neither Vietnam nor Indonesia, where it has hit hardest, can afford mega-control measures, he says.
Sounds to me like he is assigning responsibility based on who is able to pay and who isn't.
America never does enough to please the rest of the world. I guess they think we are a bottomless piggybank...
Isn't that what bush thinks? I don't know why anyone else would think the US is a "bottomless piggybank".
dkfz "don't know why anyone else would think the US is a "bottomless piggybank"
You mean like all those other countries that demand money. Oh and what about the U.N saying we should have done more about thee bird flu. Hmm...did we forget these.
"but the western world failed to help"
That sounds like they are blaming us for not helping to me. As I said in the post, our number one policy is the U.S.
This has been a nice debate but I really need to do some bloging by the 11th so I probably won't debate much more with anyone for a while.
As I said in the post, our number one [priority] is the U.S.
I guess Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations by invading them.
I guess Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations by invading them.
You guess? Well, you better keep guessing because you are dead wrong.
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations by bombing them?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if they have oil?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if there is a huge amount of money to be made via war profiteering?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if a huge amount of money can be made by stealing from reconstruction funds?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if doing so allows them to bestow favors on their cronies?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if they get to torture people?
Republicans are only interested in "helping" other nations if it affords them the opportunity to drive up the deficit and then slash social programs like food stamps and medicare?
All of the above?
Yeah, you can keep living in your fantasy world and keep thinking we are what we're not. You go have fun with it.
But not on this blog.
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