FREEDOM
America is a great and wonderful country and freedom is a great and wonderful thing - but there are many prices to pay for it. Obviously the sacrifice of lives in order to remain free is the greatest price of all, but there are other prices to pay. Here are ten of them:
1. We are free to disparage our President in times of war without getting shot.
2. We can tear, rip, burn, wear, or sit on and otherwise defile our flag without fear of going to jail.
3. Our media can make up stories and challenge us to prove they are false.
4. A major political party can make up stories and challenge us to prove they are false.
5. We can petition the Courts to remove "In God We Trust" from our legal tender.
6. We can petition the Courts to remove prayer from our schools.
7. We can give abortions to 13 year-old girl-children without their parents ever finding out they are pregnant.
8. We can go on national Television (like Murtha) and say things we know are false regarding the war effort and lie about the condition and morale of our troops.
9. We can use profanity all over the internet except on Blogs that don't allow it.
10. Last but not least, we are free to raise our children without any morality whatsoever.
Freedom is what America is all about and it is worth fighting and dying for. It's just a crying shame that so many Americans take such blatant advantage of it.
posted by Gayle @ 8:02 PM
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61 Comments:
Great post, and all true.
Freedom is what America is all about and it is worth fighting and dying for. It's just a crying shame that so many Americans take such blatant advantage of it.
Very true. I think kids should be taught to feel lucky to live in America and shown how few other countries have anything like we do.
But the politicians and News groups will always stay the same.
But then if no one was lying, there would be no lies for me to expose, that wouldn't be so fun. lol.
Cody, if a miracle happened and the lieberals suddenly became conservatives, we'd still have many issues to blog about, because Americans are not ever going to agree on everything. :)
I stole this, saved it to my server and have used it...
Beautiful pic....
Thanks Fred! This is a beautiful picture and I'm glad to see it out there!
Phantom_Driver said... The truths contained in this post should be self evident to everyone.
I saw only lies.
No one with a brain that hasn't been fried can say I was lying on this post. Therefore I can only reach one conclusion. DFKZ's brain has been fried. :)
DFKZ cannot get into my blogs. He's been banned. :)
Good to see you again, C. Jordan... like the suit! :)
Good deductive reasoning Gayle! I banned him too. We all know someone's paying the bastard anyway.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that you said "our troops moral" and it should be "morale." Just thought I'd let you know.
Thanks, Dark. Typo and I didn't see it.
Gayle said... No one with a brain that hasn't been fried can say I was lying on this post. Therefore I can only reach one conclusion. DFKZ's brain has been fried. DFKZ cannot get into my blogs. He's been banned. :(
Only someone with a brain that has been fried can say Gayle wasn't lying in her post. Hmmm... Gayle's brain must be fried!
Gayle is banned from my blog. If I create one.
DarkSaturos said... Good deductive reasoning Gayle! I banned him too. We all know someone's paying the bastard anyway.
It's news to me I have been banned from your blog. I haven't looked at it in months. I don't intend to ever look at it again. Both of you speak as if I care. You are both banned from my possible blog.
This "paid to disrupt" nonsense is getting old -- Everyone knows that it is the Republicans who pay others to spread their propaganda
Well, that's just about the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. I really think DFKZ should run for political office as a Democrat. Or at the very least he should look for a job with moveon.org. He'd fit right in. Think about it DFKZ. Possibly you could be Howard Dean's assistant. I think that would be perfect for you.
Both Dark and I are trembling in our boots at being banned from your "possible" blog. You won't run one, and if you did, why do you think we'd want to look at it? You see, DFKZ, we don't run around on lieberal blogs like you people do on conservative blogs. It's because we have a lot more class than you do. We have values which you know nothing about. And if you think you make me mad, you are wrong. I simply believe you are pathetic. In a way, I feel sorry for someone so bent out of shape for hatred of the fact that Republicans won that I feel sorry for you. I'm not trying to be rude. I really mean it. I pray to God that you may get a grip. Truly.
I also want to wish you, and everyone else here a Merry Christmas and blessings for the New Year.
Gayle said... I simply believe you are pathetic.
The feeling is mutual.
In a way, I feel sorry for someone so bent out of shape for hatred of the fact that Republicans won that I feel sorry for you. I'm not trying to be rude. I really mean it. I pray to God that you may get a grip. Truly.
Republicans did not "win"! The 2000 election was definitely stolen. The 2004 election was most likely stolen. Yes, I'm mad that the lying murdering crook bush is in the White House.
You are in for a HUGE shock when the truth is revealed to you. I will NOT feel sorry for you when you have to face the consequences for all the lying you have done.
Both Dark and I are trembling in our boots at being banned from your "possible" blog. You won't run one, and if you did, why do you think we'd want to look at it?
No, I probably won't. And, no, I don't think you would want to look at it -- which was my point. You keep repeating over and over that I was banned from your blog -- Like I care. I don't. OK, maybe I cried at first... but I got over it quickly.
I could have said as such but just ignore him. He goes away if he gets no attention. Plus he gets paid for every post he makes. (Read Phantom's explanation.) Trust me Gayle. Don't even act like he's there.
Sorry y'all, I couldn't resist. I don't know what came over me...
DarkSaturos said... I could have said as such but just ignore him. He goes away if he gets no attention. Plus he gets paid for every post he makes. (Read Phantom's explanation.) Trust me Gayle. Don't even act like he's there.
I didn't know I was getting paid for every post I made! I better step my my posting then! A question though... When can I expect my first check? This was good for a laugh -- at first. It's getting a little depressing though... the realization of just how insane you right wingers are. I'm talking about phantom driver's post -- this guy's a total WACKO and he says it's the other side who's crazy! He isn't harmless crazy either -- he's scary crazy!
This post of Gayle's crosses the line. She used to JUST be wrong. She used to think there could be SOME common ground between the right and the left -- now she's spreading the same lies Ottmann champions! If anyone's getting paid to spread lies it's this guy! You can see firsthand that he is having SOME affect -- unlike me who is accomplishing nothing by posting here. WHY would anyone pay for that?!
I don't expect a real answer... I expect you to keep repeating this lie over and over -- it's the Republican modus operandi.
Rebekah said... YOU RIGHT WING NUTTY STUPID FASHIST TERRORIST LIARS!!! THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, STOLEN, STOLEN!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY I HAVE NOT CREDEBILETY!?!?
What do you have against CBS news? Are they more liberal than ABC and NBC? Also, what is "CREDEBILETY"? What's a "FASHIST"? Do you not know how to spell "credibility" or "fascist", or are you saying I'm an idiot and I would spell these words wrong. None of my prior posts have contained a large number of spelling errors -- so if that's what you're saying -- you're wrong.
How does this "paid to post" thing work?? Does someone contact me?? Do I contact them?? What about the posts themselves -- will I be paid by the word?? Even if I'm cutting and pasting from a "liberal media" news article?? Maybe I'll get paid depending on how many right wingers respond?? Does someone check up on my work, or is it an honor system kind of thing?? PLEASE respond ASAP -- I'd like to get started as soon as possible!! This could be fun AND profitable!! I'm really looking forward to your response!! Thanks!!
Republicans did not "win"! The 2000 election was definitely stolen. The 2004 election was most likely stolen. Yes, I'm mad that the lying murdering crook bush is in the White House.
ROFLMAO!
That is so funny! If there is one conspiracy theory that is even more laughable than Bush blew up the levies to kill black people it's the Bush stole the 2000 elections. As soon as the Bush is the anti-Christ conspiracy gets old you come up with another one that's even funnier than the last.
Keep up the good work, you're hilarious.
I couldn't ban you from here, you're just too funny. You believe every anti-republican conspiracy out there yet everyone else is deluded. I love it.
Oh yeah, we're waiting for you to explain why Gayle is lying. Or maybe it's just that anything mildly patriotic makes you sick, I don't know.
I can't complain about dkfz. He entertains me and at the same time makes his own base look bad by believing lies, then calling everyone else deluded and all Republicans are evil, greedy, scumbags.
If anyone is blindly helping the Democrats implode it's people like dkfz. That's why I'm leaving him on here, he's helping my cause.
Stop responding. Just ignore him. You're just giving him attention. I know its hard to be when he says such ridicolous stuff but you cant fall into that trap.
Cody Said... That is so funny! If there is one conspiracy theory that is even more laughable than Bush blew up the levies to kill black people it's the Bush stole the 2000 elections.
That the "levies were blown" is an actual "conspiracy theory" -- one which I have never repeated here. The 2000 election was stolen. It isn't a "conspiracy theory" -- it is a FACT! The REPUBLICAN supreme court stopped the recount and handed the presidency to bush. FACT!
The 2004 election MAY have been stolen. There were genuine concerns that were never investigated. Why? The Republicans immediately labeled any and all such concerns "conspiracy theories" thereby discrediting them.
From Harper's Magazine: None dare call it Stolen (excerpts): The press has had little to say about most of the strange details of the election—except, that is, to ridicule all efforts to discuss them. This animus appeared soon after November 2, in a spate of caustic articles dismissing any critical discussion of the outcome as crazed speculation: "Election paranoia surfaces: Conspiracy theorists call results rigged", chuckled the Baltimore Sun on November 5th. "Internet Buzz on Vote Fraud Is Dismissed", proclaimed the Boston Globe on November 10. "Latest Conspiracy Theory -- Kerry Won -- Hits the Ether", the Washington Post chortled on November 11th. The New York Times weighed in with "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread by Blogs, Are Quickly Buried" -- making mock not only of the "post-election theorizing" but of cyberspace itself, the fons et origo of all such loony tunes, according to the Times.
Such was the news that most Americans received. Although the tone was scientific, "realistic", skeptical, and "middle-of-the-road", the explanations offered by the press were weak and immaterial. It was as if they were reporting from inside a forest fire without acknowledging the fire, except to keep insisting that there was no fire. Since Kerry has conceded, they argued, and since "no smoking gun" had come to light, there was no story to report. This is an oddly passive argument. Even so, the evidence that something went extremely wrong last fall is copious, and not hard to find. (August 4, 2005)
Cody Said... Oh yeah, we're waiting for you to explain why Gayle is lying. Or maybe it's just that anything mildly patriotic makes you sick, I don't know.
I didn't mention it because I thought it was OBVIOUS! Almost every one of her points claims that Democrats are liars! bush is the liar when he says that Democratic senators had access to the same intellignece! They most certainly did not!
Only in the twisted Republican psyche is it "patriotic" to blindly follow bush while slamming the opposition as liars whose only goal is to win politically at any cost.
Gayle's Lies
We are free to disparage our President in times of war without getting shot.
Shot?! Sounds like Gayle thinks maybe people who disagree with bush should be shot. I thought this was a blog for people who loved American, not Republican fascists!
We can tear, rip, burn, wear, or sit on and otherwise defile our flag without fear of going to jail.
Go to Jail?! Sounds to me like Gayle would support an Constitutional amendment against desecrating the flag. Needless to say I am against such an amendment. And again, sounds like a comment a Republican fascist would make!
Our media can make up stories and challenge us to prove they are false.
An outright lie. Why not give an example so we know exactly what "made up" stories you are referring to? Sounds like another bogus "liberal media" claim -- which is, of course, Total nonsense!
A major political party can make up stories and challenge us to prove they are false.
Another blatant lie. The FACTS speak for themselves!
We can petition the Courts to remove "In God We Trust" from our legal tender.
Again, something that Gayle obviously thinks no one should be able to do! More Republican fascism!
We can petition the Courts to remove prayer from our schools.
Prayer shouldn't be allowed in schools. They aren't -- as far as I know. I never prayed in school. If people want to pray do they can do it at home and/or in church! A student could even say a silent prayer in class! Isn't this the kind of thing that takes place in oppressive middle eastern regimes -- the intertwining of Religion and government? I guess Gayle thinks we should be more like the Taliban!
We can go on national Television (like Murtha) and say things we know are false regarding the war effort and lie about the condition and morale of our troops.
Murtha told the TRUTH. bush is the one who LIES. All bush does is lie lie lie. bush lies to cover up lies. A lot of bush's lies (such as the one about senators having the same intelligence) are SO OBVIOUS as to be laughable! It doesn't matter to Republicans though -- whatever lies bush spoon feeds them they will repeat over and over -- as if they were the Gospel truth! Your party is a JOKE!
Last but not least, we are free to raise our children without any morality whatsoever.
The implication being that a lot of people do -- which is, of course, a lie.
Freedom is what America is all about and it is worth fighting and dying for. It's just a crying shame that so many Americans take such blatant advantage of it.
The implication here is that LIBERALS are "taking advantage" of their freedoms by speaking out against bush -- Which is an ANTI-AMERICAN lie!!
Cody said... Keep up the good work, you're hilarious.
I started reading Jayson's blog because I thought it was hilarious to read all the old Republican lies regurgitated in an uninformed and inarticulate manner. Hilarious stuff! The same goes for your blog. But what is not hilarious is the cr@p that psychos like Ottmann and Phantom Driver post. It's very discouraging when one continues to read postings of their ilk on numerous different websites -- bigoted, unintelligent and anti-American!
Regarding the last post on your blog, titled "Nice Plan" -- it's a Conspiracy Theory!! You claim all Democrats are knowingly lying to gain an advantage politically. Sounds like a conspiracy to me. I guess you only think conspiracies are laughable when Republicans are the ones being accused!
Cody Said... I can't complain about dkfz. He entertains me and at the same time makes his own base look bad by believing lies, then calling everyone else deluded and all Republicans are evil, greedy, scumbags.
Cody, you're the one believing lies!
Quote from Cody's blog: This isn't about the War! It's just another day of politics for these sick-minded scumbags! Yes I'll say it, they are all big fat scumbags. [he's talking about Democrats]
Republican Politicians = Lying Scumbags
Cody = deluded hypocrite
Read the above folks. It's pathetic. DFKZ is out of his mind! ROTFALMAO! :)
Reminder: The "warzone" link needs to be removed from this blog.
Count Blogula said... And why is DKFZ crap still here? Delete at will m'dears.
I guess that is one way to deal with FACTS that you can't refute.
DKFZ, what makes you think that the Supreme Court in 2000 was Republican? As I recall we were just coming out of the Clinton years.
And to describe the idea of a stolen election as "FACT" is just plain crazy. You really need to get a life.
Mary Ann said... DKFZ, what makes you think that the Supreme Court in 2000 was Republican? As I recall we were just coming out of the Clinton years.
Maybe you should do some research before making such a ridiculous statement.
Makeup of the Supreme Court in 2000
Justices Appointed by Republican Presidents: 7
Justices Appointed by Democratic Presidents: 2
How they ruled (Bush V Gore, 2000)
Majority (5 Justices appointed by Republican Presidents)
William H. Rehnquist. Appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon in 1972, and promoted to chief justice by Ronald Reagan in 1986.
Sandra Day O'Connor. Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1981. Although she formed part of the conservative axis during the later years of the Burger Court, with the departure of the last members of the liberal Warren Court, she is now regarded as occupying the ideological center.
Antonin Scalia. Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1986. He is a prominent conservative and originalist voice on the Court and one of the most outspoken defenders of textualism in statutory interpretation and original intent in constitutional interpretation.
Anthony M. Kennedy. Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1988. Moderate Conservative.
Clarence Thomas. Appointed by George HW Bush in 1991. He is considered to be part of the "conservative wing" in the current court.
Dissenting (2 Justices appointed by Republican Presidents and 2 appointed by Democratic Presidents)
John Paul Stevens. Appointed by Gerald Ford in 1975. Early in his tenure Stevens took a moderate path. He voted to reinstate capital punishment in the United States and opposed the affirmative action program at issue in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke. On the more conservative Rehnquist Court, Stevens tended to side with the more liberal-leaning Justices on issues such as abortion rights, gay rights and federalism. His Segal-Cover score, a measure of liberalism/conservatism of Court members, is -.6, which would place him as the sixth most liberal member of the Court.
David Souter. Appointed by George HW Bush in 1990. Initially, from 1990-93, he tended to be a conservative Justice, although much in the mold of Anthony Kennedy, rather than Antonin Scalia or William Rehnquist. In Souter's first year, Souter and Scalia voted alike close to 85 percent of the time; Souter voted with Kennedy and O'Connor about 97 percent of the time. By 1995 Souter moved more to the center, and by 2000 he moved more to the left. It was a gradual shift similar to that of Harry Blackmun 20 years back. Although appointed by a Republican president, he now tends to side with the more liberal justices rather than the conservatives. He dissented from the conservative majority Court opinion known as Bush v. Gore election of 2000 case.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Appointed by Bill Clinton in 1993. Thought of as a liberal and President Clinton loyalist.
Stephen G. Breyer. Appointed in 1994 by Bill Clinton. While somewhat moderate, Breyer most frequently sides with Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, generally acknowledged as being the "liberal" wing of the court.
Gore Won Florida!
On November 27, Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris officially certified George W. Bush as the "winner" in Florida by 537 votes. Since that date, independent investigations by the media have revealed that many illegal votes were counted - while many legal votes were not. If the votes in Florida had been counted by non-partisan election officials in compliance with the law, Gore would have won Florida.
Unfortunately, George W. Bush, his brother Governor Jeb Bush, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a partisan Republican majority on the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Republican-owned media did everything in their power to prevent a fair and legal count of the votes. In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate.
Jimmy Carter: Gore beat Bush in 2000
Five years after the controversial 2000 presidential election, ex-President Jimmy Carter now says he's certain Al Gore defeated George W. Bush.
"Well I would say that in the year 2000, the country failed abysmally in the presidential election process", Carter told a panel Monday at American University in Washington, D.C. "There's no doubt in my mind that Al Gore was elected president".
Those in attendance broke out in applause for that statement.
"[Gore] received the most votes nationwide, and in my opinion, he also received the most votes in Florida", Carter continued. "And the decision was made as you know by a 5-4 vote on a highly partisan basis by the U.S. Supreme Court, so I would say in 2000, there was a failure".
Justices Appointed by Republican Presidents: 7
Justices Appointed by Democratic Presidents:
Well, out of the 7, Stevens, Souter, O'Connor and Kennedy are generally Liberal. And if the court is so "Conservative", how come Roe v. Wade still stands and how come Eminent Domain passed? But, if you consider Breyer a "moderate", I'm wasting my breath.
Also, what is "CREDEBILETY"? What's a "FASHIST"?
Oh, dear me. Maybe I'd better not be facetious any more. Darn it, someone takes me seriously every time. I was just copying the general theme, spelling errors and high blood-pressure of every single liberal moonbat I've encountered. They all share the same brain, it seems.
Count Blogula said... If you let these paid shills just keep on posting bald faced lies, you're part of the problem... They get paid for every entry that's posted!
Don't aid and abet the shills.
Complete expose on paid shills and the FEC's investigation of same on my blog.
You're an idiot. I had to click around your stupid blog for awhile to find the post you are referring to. I see you are referring to an article from the Boston Globe -- but you didn't provide a link. So I had to go to Google to find the article.
Most of the article dealt with bloggers promoting PRODUCTS on their blogs. Briefly mentioned was bloggers being paid to post politically oriented entries. The whole article dealt with the OWNER of the blog! The article NEVER mentioned individual posters being paid to post on other people's blogs! The article is NOT a "Complete expose on paid shills"!! The word "shill" is NEVER USED! Anyone who doubts this can follow the LINK I provided and read the article.
dkfz is NOTHING. If you go to the Blast the Right podcast there is some wack job who thinks WE planted timed bombs in the WTC. I LOVE how liberals think!
P.S. Ill bet dk believes this foolish conspericy as well.
Hey Robby, is there any good Conservative podcasts out there that you know of?
And speaking of that, I'm planning on making my own online radio show next summer using audioblogger. I can't wait to see how that works.
I'm not sure. There's a comidic one but I haven't listened to it much, so I don't really know. Good luck with that Audio Blogger, we've talked about that before I remember.
(Hands money to Cody, in stage whisper) advertising right? Know what I'm saying? Eh? Eh?
I don't agree with DFKZ on anything political but here is a first: DFKZ is right regarding the link Count offered to prove that shills are being paid to infiltrate conservative bloggers. Now, I don't doubt for one minute that they are; liberals will stoop to any level to discredit Bush. It's just that the link doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that legitimate businesses who are not political and are trying to sell things are using and paying bloggers to promote their sites. Perhaps Count left the wrong link?
Where's Phantom Driver when we need him? He knows plenty about the whole shill thing.
Good luck with that Audio Blogger, we've talked about that before I remember.
Yes. I've got a good time slot and everything (Mondays and Fridays from 7 to 8 PM ET) but I don't want to start until I know I can talk for an hour. But it's coming. I'll probably make a separate blog for it in fact.
Cody, I hate to break it to you but Phantom Driver is Count Blogula! I swear it's true!
Hello from England. Can I add to the debate by saying that I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that the 2000 election result was at the least very debatable and at the worst a total fraud? And no I am not some kind of Communist, just interested in seeing both sides of the subject addressed.
Of course you are. But since you aren't from America, I would advise you to stop talking about things you don't understand. The election was NOT a fraud. Stop listening to your liberal-biased BBC.
Hellow Chas, Merry Christmas to you too. Also to Dan Project. Dan, you do have it wrong. Bush's election was a landslide victory and it had nothing whatsoever to do with fraud. If you get your news from the MSM, then you are getting no news whatsoever. You are getting "revised News."
nMerry Christmas to you!
Dan Project 76: Hello back at you! :) No, I don't believe you are a communist. I do believe you are not understanding our election process. This is the way it goes:
Our presidential election is not decided on the basis of the number of people who vote each way; it is decided on the basis of the "electoral college."
Each state contributes a certain number of electors to the electoral college, who vote according to the majority of the state. The candidate recieving a majority of the votes in the ellectoral college wins the election. The electoral votes are apportioned roughly according to each state's population as measured by the census, and with a small but deliberate bias in favor of smaller states. Our President won the electoral vote in 30 out of 50 states. That is definitely not even close to being "at least very debatable."
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Merry Christmas!
Gayle said... I hope this clarifies things for you.
What's clear is that you don't know what you're talking about! The 2000 election WAS most certainly stolen!
Election Fraud Continues in the US: New Data Shows Widespread Vote Manipulations in 2004 (excerpt) In the fall of 2001, after an eight-month review of 175,000 Florida ballots never counted in the 2000 election, an analysis by the National Opinion Research Center confirmed that Al Gore actually won Florida and should have been President. (Saturday August 13 2005. Written by Peter Phillips)
Calling bush's theft of the 2000 election a "landslide victory" is proof positive of just how deluded Gayle is! Katherine Harris (Republican) declared Bush the winner in Florida with 2,912,790 votes over Gore, who had 2,912,253 -- a margin of 537 votes. (Source: Wikipedia). What sane person would call that a "landslide"?!
Wikipedia is an encylipedia where EVERYONE can add data,I'd hardly call it relieable.
That's not the same as saying my information is wrong! If you want to do that find a link from a reputable news source and post it!! Of course this is the type of argument which is to be expected from a Republican -- attack the source -- not the actual information!
Yeah it is the Republican way. Debating questionable things, unlike the liberals way, never question the government.
In the first place I wasn't talking to or about DFKZ. I don't do that anymore. It should have been obvious I was responding to Dan Project 76. It should also have been obvious that the information I posted on that comment was in reference to the 2004 election. The 1004 election was our last Presidential election, was it not? So why the harping on 2000?
The Republicans never stole anything from lieberal dingbats. They simply cannot admit they lost, and lost squarely and farely. A cheater always accuses another cheater of cheating. Honest people rarely do that.
Please excuse the typo. Obviously I didn't mean the 1004 election.
And for the record, Bush won by 5 electoral votes in 2000. HE WON! Yes, it was close, but it was still a clear win. Liberals may gnash their teeth and holler "Cheat" all they want to, but "close" does not equal "cheat" in anybody's book except right-wing sore loser nut cases. I am not the one who doesn't know what they are talking about here. I present facts, not off-the-wall accusations. And if DFKZ knew anything about politics or the process, he would have realized I was referring to the 2004 election. It's obvious who doesn't know what they are talking about here.
DarkSaturos said:
"But since you aren't from America, I would advise you to stop talking about things you don't understand."
And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're Ugly Americans?
Could it be, DS, that Dan read the stories that were covered over there about the election fraud of 2000 and how it was certifiably stolen but that YOU didn't read it because the US "liberal" MSM simply did not cover the story?
Merry Christmas, y'all. And here's a Christmas wish that everyone gets their blinders removed for Christmas this year!
Gayle Said... And if DFKZ knew anything about politics or the process, he would have realized I was referring to the 2004 election.
You were responding to "Dan Project 76" -- who was talking about the 2000 election -- so I naturally assumed you were referring to the 2000 election. YES, because you weren't clear about what election you were referring to that MUST mean I don't know anything about politics! That makes PERFECT sense!
Concerning the 2004 election
None Dare Call It Stolen. Ohio, the election, and America's servile press. Thursday August 4 2005. By Mark Crispin Miller, Harper's Magazine.
...on Election Day, twenty-six state exit polls incorrectly predicted wins for Kerry, a statistical failure so colossal and unprecedented that the odds against its happening, according to a report last May by the National Election Data Archive Project, were 16.5 million to 1.
Ohio's Odd Numbers. March 2005. By Christopher Hitchens, Vanity Fair.
No conspiracy theorist, and no fan of John Kerry's, the author nevertheless found the Ohio polling results impossible to swallow: Given what happened in that key state on Election Day 2004, both democracy and common sense cry out for a court-ordered inspection of its new voting machines.
In Precinct lB of Gahanna, in Franklin County, a computerized voting machine recorded a total of 4,258 votes for Bush and 260 votes for Kerry. In that precinct, however, there are only 800 registered voters, of whom 638 showed up. Once the "glitch" had been identified, the president had to be content with 3,893 fewer votes than the computer had awarded him. (This is just one example of many in the article.)
Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed By William Rivers Pitt. Wednesday 15 December 2004.
Among activists and investigators looking into allegations of vote fraud in the 2004 Presidential election, the company always mentioned was Diebold and its suspicious electronic touch-screen voting machines. It is Diebold that has multiple avowed Republicans on its Board of Directors. It was Diebold that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bush's election campaign. It was Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell who vowed to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush.
Gayle said... (from Cody's blog) There's an English guy there who doesn't understand our election process and thinks the 2004 election of President Bush was "questionable and at the least very debateable." Obviously he doesn't understand the election process. I've explained it to him. With 30 out of 50 states winning the electoral vote, it's no way "at least very debateable".
Do you need a new pair of glasses Gayle? Go back and read his post -- he was referring to the 2000 election.
Gayle said... It's obvious who doesn't know what they are talking about here.
I agree.
PS: Regarding Cody's post about bush's illegal warrantless spying -- I agree with Cody when he says: "And then I want to see punishment".
Stop Bush's illegal wiretaps -- act now!
It's now been 5 days since President Bush admitted to authorizing the National Security Agency to spy on Americans without court order -- a system he reauthorized as many as 3 dozen times since 2001. Yet despite the outcry from millions of Americans -- both Democrats and Republicans alike -- President Bush has stubbornly promised to continue this illegal and unconstitutional activity.
How can the President of the United States -- the highest elected official in our land, a leader who swore an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution" -- so egregiously and repeatedly violate our most basic civil liberties?
It's time for Congress to act -- to thoroughly investigate the President's actions now.
Urge Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter to hold hearings into the President's conduct, before beginning Supreme Court nomination hearings for Judge Alito - sign Senator Barbara Boxer's petition today!
Today, the 23rd of December I have been married for 46 years. To the same person, no less. It is quite an accomplishment in today's world. I am far to happy with the wonderful person I married, with the success of the choice I made at the age of a mere 17, and with my life in general to argue with anyone.
Merry Christmas DFKZ. Merry Christmas everyone. Let us have peace for at least two more days.
Blessings.
To Gayle: Congratulations for that and Merry Christmas!
To Dan: I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us, even if they DID hate us, which they do not. I don't want to hear anymore of Dan and Dan's anti-Americanism. It is disgusting to hate a nation like ours.
Thank you Darsaturos! As to the resto of your comment, Amen to that! :)
"Among activists and investigators looking into allegations of vote fraud in the 2004 Presidential election, the company always mentioned was Diebold and its suspicious electronic touch-screen voting machines. It is Diebold that has multiple avowed Republicans on its Board of Directors. It was Diebold that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bush's election campaign. It was Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell who vowed to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush."
And these allegations are pure BS! Just wait untill we whip their butts in 2006 and again in 2008 and they will sing a different tune. Oh, wait... excuse me. No they won't... they will be hollering "voter fraud" each time. But that's okay... sorry losers are sorry losers any way you cut it.
re: "Dan's anti-Americanism"
Who says I hate our nation? I've never said that. Many of y'all are pretty good at putting words in others' mouths and thoughts in our heads.
Just because I disagree with a given administration's policies, does that mean I hate the nation? I disagreed with Clinton's policies and so did you, I suspect. Does that mean we both hate the country?
You folk are sometimes so narrow-minded and so pre-set in your opinions of others that it is difficult to have an honest conversation with you.
For the record, I love the US. I think we are a nation with a great wealth in many ways. BUT with great wealth comes great responsibility.
So I don't to hear any more of DarkSaturos' anti-world and Stupid American comments anymore either! He hates the world and it's disgusting!
How's that? You like name-calling? You like me saying what you believe?
What are y'all - In the 4th grade? (with apologies to all the 4th graders out there who know how to act better than some of our friends here).
Grow up a bit and learn how to have an honest debate without resorting to ad hominem attacks, strawman and red herring arguments or opinions based on naught but your own empty-headed thoughts!
God bless you and have a Merry Christmas.
Gayle Said... Just wait untill we whip their butts in 2006 and again in 2008 and they will sing a different tune. Oh, wait... excuse me. No they won't... they will be hollering "voter fraud" each time. But that's okay... sorry losers are sorry losers any way you cut it.
I pray you're wrong, but I'm afraid you may be right.
Dear Howard Dean: Why Bother? December 13, 2005. by Ernest Partridge, Ph.D. (excerpts)
Every week I get dozens of solicitations from the Democratic National Committee, from the Democratic Senate and Congressional Campaign Committees, or from various Democratic candidates and office-holders, each of them asking for contributions. "You can help us achieve victory next November", I am told.
If by "victory" is meant a majority vote cast at the polls, then the Democrats achieved "victory" in 2000, 2002 and 2004. And yet, the Republicans remain in control of the Congress and the White House.
Small wonder! Republicans build the voting machines, Republicans write the secret software, Republicans count and compile the totals. The Republican machines allow no auditing of the vote totals they report. So Republicans have the ability to "win" elections, regardless of the will of the voters. There is compelling evidence that they have done just that.
And so, if nothing is done to end the privatization of our elections and to introduce reliable verification, the Republicans will "win" again in November 2006 and then in 2008. Today, eleven months before the mid-term election, the outcome is fore-ordained -– as certain as Soviet elections under Stalin, and Iraqi elections under Saddam. For, as Stalin said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything".
There is no cogent rebuttal to this evidence of voting fraud: there can't be, for the e-voting machines and compilers have been designed to forbid rebuttal. The software is secret and there is no independent record of the votes. Accordingly, so-called "verification" is nothing more than a re-run of the suspect tallies. Lacking substantive evidence of the reliability of the voting and compiling machines and software, all that remains for the defenders of e-voting is a pathetic plea, "just trust us!" That and ad hominem attacks on the skeptics: "get over it!", "sore losers", "conspiracy theorists".
My last comment stands and cannot be swayed, DFKZ. I'm not going to debate here any further. I know I will not get anywhere. But I do sincerely hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
Dan Trubue said... And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're Ugly Americans?
In my book that constitutes as anti-Americanism. The world doesn't think that. Probably I misunderstood you though, that happens, I apologize if I did.
Gayle Said... My last comment stands and cannot be swayed, DFKZ.
I know you won't ever change your mind. You will continue to deny the corruption in the Republican party no matter how obvious it becomes.
darksaturos Said... In my book that constitutes as anti-Americanism.
You can deny the truth all you want -- The facts will NOT change due to your ignorance of them! I don't give a damn what constitutes "anti-Americanism" in your "book"!
Hey, just like we don't care what conspericy theories run through your tiny little brain.
DarkSaturos said... Hey, just like we don't care what conspericy theories run through your tiny little brain.
LOL!! You are HILARIOUS!! If you were as smart as you seem to think you are why do your posts contain SO MANY spelling errors! I mean, COME ON -- EVERY post??!
I type badly when I type quickly. I type quickly because I post a lot. My spelling/grammatics have nothing to do with your conspericicy theories.
I'm not going to argue anymore. It doesn't GO anywhere, and I wouldn't want to contribute to your paycheck.
Cripes! What a dolt! Liberals being paid to post on pathetic Republican blogs is a CONSPIRACY THEORY!! I haven't seen anyone here present any actual "proof".
This thread is attached to a post that contains numerous CONSPIRACY THEORIES -- The media makes up stories -- All the Democrats got together and decided to lie about not seeing the same prewar intelligence as the president because they knew it could benefit them politically.
Conspiracy Theories obviously are fine with you as long as you agree with them. No proof is necessary! BTW the 2000 election was stolen -- that is a FACT, not a theory.
You're still spelling conspiracy wrong! Throwing in an extra "ic" didn't get you any closer!
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